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| GhostWolf223 | Date: Friday, 2012-06-29, 10:12:37 AM | Message # 16 |
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| ohhh i didnt mean to say that lol was just a filler number
an added damage bonus i guess would work
but still would need to apply an effect
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| Sandman366 | Date: Friday, 2012-06-29, 10:15:20 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Well duh. So anyway, 25 levels, 1% each time? Like PR's Flaming Bow or something? (Maybe 1% and 100 damage each time? That means at max, every time anything attacks the thing takes 25% extra damage and 2.5k damage on top of that. If Chaotic Armor Type is taken into play, then I guess it should be more like 1k-5k bonus per lvl....)
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| GhostWolf223 | Date: Friday, 2012-06-29, 10:41:01 AM | Message # 18 |
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| hrmm maybe 1% each level and starts at 100 then it grows each level O.o?
sorta like 100-200-300-400-500-1000-1500 etc
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| Sandman366 | Date: Friday, 2012-06-29, 4:48:11 PM | Message # 19 |
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| Stick to current level max though. Starts at level 9, 2.5% & 10k damage/level? 10 levels? (Ends at 999 with 25% and 100k damage?)
How about a version nobody will like...get at 999, deal 100% bonus and 5m (150k) bonus per attack. Costs 25% of max life and all remaining mana. (Or take 10% of damage you deal.)
Actually, that'd make a good balancer. Take damage yourself from it. Only like 5-10% at max, but something worth thinking about before using the skill. (Perhaps it starts 25-50% and goes down to 5-10%?)
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| GhostWolf223 | Date: Friday, 2012-06-29, 5:29:21 PM | Message # 20 |
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| hmm self damage would balance it quite a bit
but not i would say 3-5% because 10% is way too much
because what if you hit a crit and have best items?
that would probly take you down to like 20% hp >.<
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| Sandman366 | Date: Saturday, 2012-06-30, 10:57:41 AM | Message # 21 |
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| Hmm. That sounds like a time to break into Blizzard to ask about some mechanics. I know damage from any Thorns effects (spiked carapace/thorns aura) is negated with Spell Immunity, but do armor types/spell reduction also help? And Thorns damage, what's the formula? Based on damage from the attack, damage actually dealt?
Suppose it could depend on how it gets triggered in, too...
And even if you have best stuff you probably wouldn't bring yourself to 20% health. 25x crit (Satan Ace), on say, Azaazoth. Let's say you've got...oh.....8m damage? (I've no idea how this guy would end up with maxed power, but I'll just go with 8 for sake of example.) If the bonus damage is 50%, and you take 10% of the damage too, 8mx25x.03=6m, so you actually hit 6m. (We're ignoring armor amount for this example, but Azazoth has what, 99.99% reduction?) Anyway, 3m bonus damage making a total of 9m damage dealt, and you take 600k damage. If it gets put in as spell damage, Hero Armor Type makes that only 450k. (Ignoring all of those "This hero takes extra spell damage" (or less as the case could be) and spell reduction from items.)
Let's say you actually have 20m damage. Let's ignore the same things for point of example. 20mx25x.03x.1=1.5m damage taken yourself. If you've got over 40k strength, then you still have a minimum of 25% health.
Now for the sake of example let's try something more dangerous. You take ALL of the bonus damage, and you deal 100% bonus damage. You've got 20m normal damage still.
20m x 25xcrit x .03 reduc = 15m damage bonus/taken/dealt in the first place. Ignoring any way of reducing damage taken from this, if you've got over 300k strength, you survived.
So yeah, it's really not as dangerous as it sounds. Even Rare Wings & Rare Ring would make you survive that. (With 4.4m health.) And you've probably got far more than 388k strength when you challenge Azazoth. (Or you have some healers.)
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| GhostWolf223 | Date: Saturday, 2012-06-30, 1:57:08 PM | Message # 22 |
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| yea, but what if you were to crit 25x on a troll in normal world?
wouldnt that just insta kill you?
it would make the spell for normal world a curse rather then a benefit
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| Sandman366 | Date: Saturday, 2012-06-30, 5:34:08 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Well there wouldn't be a point in casting it there. Though if you were stupid enough to cast it in Normal World, you would take...what....(let's say 10m damage, 250m damage, 10% reflected...) 25m damage. Well, having more than 500k strength would save you then. That's....what....a Leg Exist Ring and around 960 points put into Attrib Bonus?
Still possible to survive. 
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| NlCK | Date: Sunday, 2012-07-01, 8:30:37 AM | Message # 24 |
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| well this hero could be a high damage dealer at cost of his life it would be awesome
i dont know how stupid that can sound but Passive (add one more) This hero gets 5% of the damage he deals
Ex. 100 damage = 5 damage to the hero
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| Sandman366 | Date: Sunday, 2012-07-01, 11:44:20 AM | Message # 25 |
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| Well that sounds 100% useless.
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| GhostWolf223 | Date: Sunday, 2012-07-01, 3:23:59 PM | Message # 26 |
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| yea im not sure what the point of that would be lol
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| NlCK | Date: Saturday, 2012-07-07, 12:30:40 PM | Message # 27 |
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| wow was i that tired .... i dont even remember writing that lol anyway this hero probably wont b in the game so screw it ...
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| Sandman366 | Date: Saturday, 2012-07-07, 8:06:30 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Bonus damage while taking some yourself is an interesting concept though. Even if it doesn't go into this map, anyone who read it might try in use it in another map, or another game altogether (SC2 or WC4, for instance). Something came out of the thread and concepts that came up. Even if it's never used, it's an interesting concept to think about how it could be used. (Which could make it easier to balance for a mapmaker since it's already partially balanced and all plotted out, so it could be that it's used since it's easier to balance because it's partially already there. (Basically: wouldn't be used, part of the balancing work done, so gets used.))
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Message edited by Sandman366 - Saturday, 2012-07-07, 8:06:40 PM |
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