What crits works together

Gressklipper

Date: Sunday, 2010-01-24, 11:53:53 AM | Message # 1

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Would very much like a clarification of what crits work with eachother.
The FAQ topic http://pomfoc.ucoz.com/forum/23-502-1 only calculates the outcome of the procs, saying nothing about what crits work with eachother

Showing some examples with rough numbers, as I hate math.
[Crit A] 51% for 25x On my PR, I crit around 340m, which indicates legendary ace works(340m/13.5m =25)
[Crit B] 10% for 15x I also have the skill Pheonix Power. Can't remember seeing this much, but still, crits for 202m if it works.(202m/13.5=15)
[Crit C] 50% for 12x Legion sword. I see this a lot, crits for 162m (162m/13.5=12)
[Crit D] 46% for 10x Hell set +2. Not really using this anymore, but... Should crit for 135m (135m/13.5=10)
[Crit E] X% for Xx other heroes' innate abilities

Now, to the point. I cannot recall ever seeing those crits crit on eachother. I love seeing high crits, and usually pay attention to them. However, my memory can be wrong. Anyway.
I have NEVER seen P(A)+(B). I have never seen a crit higher than roughly 360m on myself, and that is from one crit, not crits critting, which would be sky high.
I doubt this crit stacking works at all. Same for most of, if not all of the others. Can we get a clarification on what works together?
If some crits override others, which they do, many of the players will want to drop some crit items and get damage instead of losing damage because of shitty crits taking the better crits' procs.

If we could just get a sheet similar to the orb sheet for wc3 where it says X stacks with Y but not Z etc.
I'd rather stat up than take a useless crit class skill if they really do not work together.
But if they work together, I'd like to know which does. If none stacks, the "crit and how it works" post is useless, as it then shows probabilities of outcomes than cannot occur.

Message edited by Gressklipper - Sunday, 2010-01-24, 11:55:25 AM

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Date: Sunday, 2010-01-24, 1:04:40 PM | Message # 2

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Im not 100% sure, but the crits do not stack..ever. At least as far as I can tell with my PR and savior.

When faced with two choices just simply flip a coin. Not because it settles the question for you, but because that one second it is in the air you suddenly know what you are hoping for.

Gressklipper

Date: Sunday, 2010-01-24, 2:04:09 PM | Message # 3

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Then we are of the same opinion.
Kind of interested though, whether some of the old heroes' crits stack

On a side note, why have so many different crits, many with high %, if none of them stacks? It's so easy to get a crit item

Side note to self: Try searing blade next time I'm on a char on normal mode and test

Spiritbx

Date: Friday, 2010-02-05, 1:44:29 PM | Message # 4

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heres my theory, it might be wrong it it might be right, but this is what ive seen.

they don't stack, but there IS an order to which crit gets priority(since they dont stack).

this is the order ive found with my gear and char

legions sword crits
satan's ace crits
pheonix power crits.

i think it has something to do with levels, so ill try with a flowchart ion paint, notice this is MY theory, and it might not be correct, open spoiler for flowchart, i can't post the actual image :T:

Message edited by Spiritbx - Friday, 2010-02-05, 2:14:41 PM

CraftyWeasel

Date: Monday, 2010-03-08, 3:37:19 PM | Message # 5

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critical hits do not stack, ever, under any circumstance, the chances also do not stack or have any priority, a critical hit works much like an orb effect, such as life stealing. when you crit as a PR, and if you have multi-shot, you will notice your multi shot only goes off when u dont crit, this is because the crit over rides the multi shot ability, and is singularly the only action taking place. The crits themselves work in a way that, obviously the one with the highest % chance of occuring will occur most often, and the rest of your crits add minor percentages to crit for thier own certain amount.

SO, each crit works individually, and you will never get a *double crit* if i can call it that... you will always do one of the amounts specified of ure crits, they wont add up.

on the priority note, there is no priority, its entirely based on percentage, highest percentage occurs most often, next highest occurs proportionately lower determined by how many crit giving items you have, and thier respective chances to crit.

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some examples of how the percentages work (kinda)

referenced from dota

1 Iron Buckler: 60% chance to block 20 damage ; 0.6 x 20 = 12 average damage block from each attack
2 Iron Bucklers: 1 - (1-0.6)(1-0.6) = 1 - (0.4)(0.4) = 1 - 0.16 = 0.84 = 84% chance to block 20 damage; 0.84 x 20 = 16.8 average damage block from each attack

referencing to pom foc

1 legendary satans ace: 51% chance to do 25x damage; .51 x 25(lets say 100 damage for maths sake) = .51 x 2500 = average 1250 damage on each attack
2 legendary satans ace and a legions sword: 1 - (1- .51)(1- .50) = 1 - (.49)(.50) = 1 - .249 = 75.1% chance to do either 2500 damage, or 1200 damage, split with 51% of 75.1 being for 2500, and 49% being for 1200.

IE if you have both of those, your chance to do a 2500 damage crit would become .51 x .75 = 38%~ and your chance to do legions swords 1200 damage would be the other 37%~

if you dont understand where the decimals come in and how/why percentages and decimals seemed to interchange randomly, just pm me and ill add an edit or something.

1 Iron Buckler: 60% to block 20 damage ; 0.6 x 20 = 12 average

2 Iron Bucklers: 1 - (1-0.6)(1-0.6) = 1 - (0.4)(0.4) = 1 - 0.16 = 0.84 = 84% to block 20 damage; 0.84 x 20 = 16.8 average

Message edited by CraftyWeasel - Monday, 2010-03-08, 3:49:38 PM