Upgrade into Legendary

Splendor

Date: Saturday, 2009-12-26, 2:55:57 AM | Message # 1

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So before I begin, I would like to say that No I am not a whinner. I have killed Thanatos over 3000 times (Yes I have been counting) and he has not dropped the legendary wings. In my travels, I have accumulated a little over 9000 Platinum (Yes 9000 Platinum).

I would like to see the following:
Key Chaos Items are: Satan Ace, Ring of exist, Thanatos Wings, and Legion Sword. (DS and Abyss optional for most players).

Normal Key Chaos Items all have 3 upgrades; upon obtaining upgrade 3, you can upgrade to Rare +2 for normal price.
Rare Key Chaos Items have 3 upgrades; upon obaining upgrade 3, you can upgrade to Legendary +2 for normal price.

To show how this would work: Normal Wings --> Normal Wings +2 --> Normal Wings +3 --> Rare Wings +2 --> Rare Wings +3 --> Legendary Wings +2 ---> Legendary Wings +3 ---> Legendary Wings +4 ---> Legendary Wings +5. (This would obviously cost significantly more! And still rewards players who are lucky or persistant enough to strive for a legendary drop, while not penalizing the other players who are despised by Lady Luck).

This can be achieved by adding an OR component to the requirement in the Rare and Legendary +2 recepies (at least do this for Wings as this is crucical to uprgade to maximize a character). That, or add an alternitive to simply buy the legendaries. I mean seriously, 9000 Platinum, over 100 hours saved (I just stopped saving past 9000; actually have more like 400 hours played). Does anybody else see a problem with this? Maybe my hero is just bugged PR 101!

Message edited by Splendor - Saturday, 2009-12-26, 2:58:26 AM

valkier

Date: Sunday, 2009-12-27, 0:47:51 AM | Message # 2

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I don't agree with this at all. It took me literally 3 days of afk-ing the thanatos spawn to get my wings leggy, but I finally did it. Upgrading to them would give you all teh benifit without the hard work to get them. It's supposed to be rarer than rare, so if you get lucky then grats. If not, then just keep trying.

ace_of_spadez

Date: Sunday, 2009-12-27, 3:17:17 AM | Message # 3

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ah i tried a week and a bit straight afk
to get them i finalyl did gl !

riotd

Date: Sunday, 2009-12-27, 6:36:32 PM | Message # 4

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The legendary has a .9% chance of dropping meaning 99.1% chance of not dropping. If you really killed Thanatos 3 thousand times (or more) there's a probability of 0.991^3000=1.6632726866211*10^-12 of not having dropped the legendary: 0.0000000000016632... something not really plausible.

BTW 3000 kills means 3000*15mins respawn time which equals to 750hours or 31 days non stop farming just Thanatos.

I'm not calling BS or anything but what you are saying first hand seems a little bit far fetched.

You say your save is 400hrs I'm pretty sure you haven't killed Th 1000 times if not 100. As I explained, the drop rate is 0.9% the non drop rate is 99.1% which means that around 75 kills you already broke the mark of 50% chance of having drop Legendary at least once.

If you did your math right then you probably want to keep killing Thanatos.

On the other hand your suggestion would just kill the purpose of the low drop rates on legendaries and others.

Splendor

Date: Monday, 2009-12-28, 0:28:20 AM | Message # 5

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"3000*15mins" You can kill Thalanos in 6 minutes with an Aura of Gods and duel computer. Host one game, kill him, other game loading, zero downtime, which translates into ~300 hours not 750 hours if you read correctly. Also; you forgot to factor in that afk patroling also includes 1 with 0 min respawn; so the shorter games which are common because of desync actually cause 3000x1+1^15 not 3000x1^15. It makes a huge difference in math.

In any case, I finally got my wings. That was still ridiculous and honestly it still rewards the hard work. It takes on average 24 hours to farm Wings +5; the time it takes to farm that usually far excedes the probability of a 0.9 drop rate. So; as long as the cost to reach a legendary is not chump change; perhaps equivilant cost (24 hours worth of farming) it provides an alternitive to those who want to do work but do not have the luck or ability to AFK patrol like a lot of players have done to get their wings. (I got mine on 2nd kill in a game, I was so happy... But this is not the norm).

"Upgrading to them would give you all teh benifit without the hard work to get them." So actually you would have to work harder for them. It just gives the player something to do BEYOND afk patroling. As in, if wings is all you need (like mine) then you have no reason to actually play beyond AFKing. You do not need anything else; the game needs a gold-sink beyond Legendary Wings; whether that is a new item or a chance to upgrade into legendaries. I still have 6000 Platinum and nothing to spend it on, you do not think that took any work to get? ^^

In any case, just a suggestion. If nobody likes that is fine, but it is definatly not reducing work and actually increases if the cost is adequate (Maybe 10,000 Platinum to get from Normal 1 to Legendary; or 5000 to get from Rare 1 to Legendary). That or a gold sink; like maybe a 100k-500k +1000 Dmg scroll?

Whimsicalyuki

Date: Sunday, 2010-01-17, 2:29:13 PM | Message # 6

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mmm i'd say upgrade into legendary should come up, but no upgrade to rare, and make upgrade to legendary cost like 3x the upgrading than wings 4 to 5 because well even though i got my wings like at 3rd day of trying or so.. i sitll haven't found legendary satan's ace and just farming became bored and whatnot so i kind of quit wc3 and whatnot, at least for a little while, not sure if i'm coming back yet >_<

what would happen if Yuki was a vampire

CraftyWeasel

Date: Tuesday, 2010-03-23, 5:14:01 PM | Message # 7

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i don't see anything specifically wrong with the idea of being able to buy legendary version of items

obviously it should just cost absolutely ridiculous amount of money though, no shopkeeper is going to sell you something that rare for a few bucks

legendary thanatos should cost like 100,000 plat. something so insane that no normal person would ever actually do it, but that 1 really unlucky guy that's killed thanatos for over 1000 hours straight, can just buy them and get it over with

1 Iron Buckler: 60% to block 20 damage ; 0.6 x 20 = 12 average

2 Iron Bucklers: 1 - (1-0.6)(1-0.6) = 1 - (0.4)(0.4) = 1 - 0.16 = 0.84 = 84% to block 20 damage; 0.84 x 20 = 16.8 average

Cerritus

Date: Wednesday, 2010-03-24, 6:30:48 AM | Message # 8

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How about it's either a rare drop or a slightly less rare drop from another mob + rare wings + combination cost to make legendary? Say if you get a rare legion sword + rare wings, it combines with 2k plat to make legendary.

WeWinTogether

Date: Friday, 2010-03-26, 3:09:30 PM | Message # 9

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In my opinion it should only be able to 'buy' legendaries with other legendaries.
For example convert Legendary ace + 2k plat into legendary wings. Why?

Because it annoys me finding every legendary 2-3 times (yes even wings.) but still no legendary abyssal sword.

CraftyWeasel

Date: Saturday, 2010-03-27, 11:53:42 PM | Message # 10

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all these ideas... after looking at all of them i have kinda decided maybe there should not be any other way to get legendarys other than by having them be dropped and being lucky.

1 Iron Buckler: 60% to block 20 damage ; 0.6 x 20 = 12 average

2 Iron Bucklers: 1 - (1-0.6)(1-0.6) = 1 - (0.4)(0.4) = 1 - 0.16 = 0.84 = 84% to block 20 damage; 0.84 x 20 = 16.8 average

Sandman366

Date: Monday, 2010-06-07, 6:57:15 PM | Message # 11

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I got an overnight leg drop once. (At thana) But the other guy's net connection sucked and couldn't get. Which is why I hate the solo thing.

Just have it not let you start alone but let you continue alone...I mean really...

Malevolent criminal I,
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Cross the invisible line...
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myreal

Date: Thursday, 2010-06-10, 11:37:23 PM | Message # 12

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Guys remember that we got our legends last year before the PLAY ALONE FOR 20 MIN trigger was added. You cant afk boss farm for a day anymore. I ask DC to remove it but he said he will do 1 hour solo play in the new version so good luck getting legendaries.

riotd

Date: Sunday, 2010-07-11, 5:23:28 PM | Message # 13

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Just LAN it.

God_Of_Death

Date: Sunday, 2010-07-11, 8:30:54 PM | Message # 14